Senior Regional Fiduciary Manager Peter Thompson and Regional Chief Investment Officer Kei Sasaki discuss how the growth of social impact investing may present opportunities for investors who choose to invest based on their values.
Audio: Investing With a Purpose: Looking Beyond "Social Responsible Investing"

Transcript: Investing With a Purpose: Looking Beyond "Social Responsible Investing"

Interviewer: Peter Thompson, Senior Regional Fiduciary Manager, Philanthropic Services - Northeast
Interviewee: Kei Sasaki, CFA Regional Chief Investment Officer - Northeast

[Peter]: While the roots of Socially Responsible Investing (or "SRI") date back centuries, recent developments suggest that the discipline is now much broader. At Wells Fargo, we refer to the discipline as Social Impact Investing or "SII". SII awareness is accelerating and has many likely investor implications in the years ahead.

Hello, my name is Peter Thompson, Senior Regional Fiduciary Manager for Philanthropic Services for Wells Fargo Private Bank. Joining me to discuss SII is Kei Sasaki, Regional Chief Investment Officer for Wells Fargo Private Bank. Thanks for joining me, Kei.

[Kei]: Thanks Peter. It's great to be here.

[Peter]: Kei, demand for SII strategies is clearly growing and the source of this demand appears to be somewhat universal.  Can you share with me some statistics behind the growth and also identify some of these groups of investors pursuing SII?

[Kei]: Of course, Peter. We have already seen rapid evolution in SII and as it becomes more main stream, more opportunities will likely emerge and more demand to chase them. The United Nations Principles of Responsible Investing1 initiative and the $60 trillion in assets managed by its global signatories is an indication of the size of the opportunity. Now as for the types of interested groups, they cover a wide range including sovereign wealth funds, pensions, non-profits (like academic and faith-based) and family offices. SII demand is also evident across demographic groups, like the Millennial generation, women and, minority groups.

[Peter]: So, Kei, if I'm an investor considering SII, what investment options are open to me?

[Kei]: Well, Peter, we have already seen a rapid evolution in SII strategies in recent years. But one shared aspect across similar strategies that has stayed constant is that the values-based objectives tied to such strategies continue to be longer-term.  For that reason, investors may want to consider a long-term, strategic investment strategy that's bound by a fiduciary, and carefully governed by a well-defined investment policy statement (IPS). Also, private capital and private real estate investments can align well with the longer time horizon of such values.

[Peter]: Are there any off-the-shelf investment options for investors?

[Kei]: Well, depending on their preferences, SII investors might also want to consider traditional SRI or Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) strategies. These standardized strategies tend to employ approaches like "negative screening", which simply exclude assets that are deemed non-SII compliant which are often less customized, compared to the ones I mentioned previously. Industry service providers have established exclusionary standards, which many asset managers reference to construct portfolios. While such approaches might be scalable and thus economically beneficial to an investment manager, the end product can fall short of the investors' core ideals – so in other words, "buyer beware" when considering such strategies.

[Peter]: So overall, Kei, how have SII strategies fared from a performance perspective?

[Kei]: Studies, such as that of Abramson and Chung that have analyzed the relationship between portfolios of companies with relatively attractive SII ratings and portfolio returns show a positive correlation.2 Of course, past performance is no guarantee of future results. But as I mentioned, challenges do remain when managers are implementing a negative screening strategy. We recommend investors seek out full transparency to avoid poorly managed SII strategies. Therefore we recommend that, SII investors engage a trusted investment advisor who is knowledgeable about SII and has access to SII resources. Your advisor can help to identify the quality strategies that align with your overall wealth plan.

[Peter]: Thank you for joining me in this discussion, Kei. The growing importance of Social Impact Investing could present new opportunities for investors who choose to invest based on their heart-felt principles. For more information, we invite you to speak with your investment professionals who can help you assess whether the types of investments that you heard in this podcast are appropriate for your specific circumstances. Thank you for joining us on this podcast.

The UN-backed Principles for Responsible Investment, a global initiative launched in 2005 to promote responsible investment.
2 Socially Responsible Investing: Viable for Value Investors, Abramson L. and Chung, D., Journal of Investing 2000, 9(3), pp 73-80